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"GOD loves everyone, exept gays, women, slaves, non-believers, non-jews, sinners, and aborted children; So we're pretty much all going to hell."

And there's a special kind of hell reserved for people like me, right?

inb4 "Ur gonna go to hell", thank you for your consideration, and reaffirmation of exactly what I'm trying to say.

Inb4 you idiots take this too literally. If you're too imbecilic to understand my meaning, you're letting religion close your mind.
"My god does not damn homosexuals to hell, he made them that way and he loves them." Your bible differs in that thinking:

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." -- Leviticus 18:22

"God sees man and woman as equal, it is society that changed that" Your Bible differs on that too:

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man." -- 1 Corinthians 11:8

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." -- 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so the wives to their own husbands in every thing." -- Ephesians 5:22-24

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to husband so long as he liveth" -- Romans 7:2

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." -- Genesis 3:16

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

Your God even condones human trafficking and slavery:

"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her." -- Deuteronomy 21:10-14

"And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the Lord. And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord." -- Numbers 31:28-47

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour." -- Leviticus 25:44-46

That last one is also an example of racism, that it is okay to take slaves provided they aren't 'God's chosen people'.


If you have any more, I'll add them.

inb4 "Old Testament", the New Testament doesn't automatically revoke these.

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[link] explains it better than I ever could. Quick excerpt:
"The Bible presents an interesting picture of God, ie. a god who never changes (Malachi 3:6) but actually does frequently change his mind and even regrets what he's done ("repents") - Genesis 6:6,7, Exodus 32:l4, l Samuel l5:35, 2 Samuel 24:l6, l Chronicles 21:l5, Jeremiah l8:8,l0, 26:3,l3,l9, 42:l0, Ezekiel 24:l4, Joel 2:l3, Amos 7:3. Although it is to be noted that Numbers 23:l9 and l Samuel 15:2 say that God never repents.

It states God is "spirit", ie. non-physical (John 4:24) and yet he is always called 'him' or 'he' as if he had a male body, and then it states that although spirit, he has feet (Psalm l8:9), arms (Jeremiah 27:5), wings (Psalm 36:7), hands (Job 27:ll), eyes (Deuteronomy 8:3), a mouth (Isaiah l:20), ears (2 Chronicles 6:40), nostrils (Exodus l5:8) and legs (Genesis 3:8). He also uses a razor - Isaiah 7:20. He also occasionally roars (Joel 3:l6) and sometimes he even whistles (Isaiah 5:26). Although he has never been seen (John l:l8), he has actually been seen (Isa 6:l), and he even revealed his rear to Moses (Exodus 33:21-22).......

.... If the God of the Bible is truly God, then there is a dilemma; for God to be God, he has to be omnipotent, responsible for the creation of everything; this includes evil; if he did not create evil, then he was not wholly creative, and therefore cannot be God. In fact the Bible does actually say God commits evil, eg. Exodus 32:l4, 2 Sam 24:l6, 1 Chron 21:l5, Jer l8:8, 26:3,l3,l9, Jonah 3:l0. Furthermore he sends lying spirits (l Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles l8:22) and deliberately deceives people (2 Thessalonians 2:ll). And not only this, he admits to being responsible for the creation of evil and misery - Isaiah 45:7, and that he has deliberately made people so he can destroy them - Proverbs l6:4.

He condemns killing (Exodus 20:l3) but orders it (Exodus 32:27); he encourages wisdom (Proverbs 4:7) but condemns it (l Corinthians l:l9); he protects the righteous (Proverbs 12:21) but does not (Hebrews ll:36-37); he cuts off the wicked (Proverbs l0:27) but does not (Job 21:7-9); he commands respect for parents (Exodus 20:l2) but encourages hatred for them (Luke l6:9); he blesses peace (Matthew 5:9) but brings war (Matthew l0:34, Revelation l9:ll).

It continues by saying God will keep the earth (Ecclesiastes l:4), but will destroy it (2 Peter 3:l0); is invisible and unseen (John l:l8, l Timothy 6:l5-l6) but has been seen (Amos 9:l, Deuteronomy 5:24); he lives in dazzling light (l Timothy 6:l5-l6), but lives in darkness (l Kings 8:l2)....

....The statement that Christian life is the basis of a happy fulfilled family life, is certainly not based on Jesus' supposed teaching. In fact Jesus says very little on this subject. One of the occasions he does refer or rather, allude to family life is when he lists some of the Ten Commandments to the man asking about acquiring eternal life, and repeats the commandment of honouring parents. This appears in Matthew l9:l6-22 where the enquirer is a young man (l9:20) and in Luke l8:l8-23, but here he is a ruler. In Mark (l0:l7-22) he is clearly not 'young' as he recalls his youth in l0:20. This is a typical example of how the Gospels do not agree with each other.

In Mark, Jesus lists off some of the Decalogue (l0 Commandments) including 'Honour your parents', but he also lists 'Do not defraud' (l0:l9) as one of the Commandments. However, this is not one of the Ten Commandments. (These are found in Exodus 20:l-l7, Deuteronomy 5:6-21). Note how Matt (l9:l8) and Luke (l8:20), correct this error in Mark (they correct others also elsewhere in Mark). This again is an example of how Mark's author was not a Jew (who would at least know the l0 Commandments).

Furthermore, it clearly has Jesus saying things that could not have been said, and how the speech cannot be authentic; furthermore, it shows how Matt and Luke's authors freely changed Mark where they saw a mistake; their compositions cannot be reliable accounts either.

There is also the factor that it is somewhat inappropriate for Jesus to preach about the honouring of parents when he also advocates, for example, hating one's family (Luke l4:26), that his purpose was to break up families (Matthew l0:34-36, Luke 12:51-53), not even burying them when they die (Matthew 8:21-22) and deserting one's own family (resulting in a reward) (Luke l8:29-30)."
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BatLover800 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2011
I say the bible's been tossed around too much for me to believe anything that comes out of it anymore, but I really don't think it matters either way, because we'll never know until all humankind as we know it is wiped out, amirite? ;D
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VladmiesserDiVisker Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
EPILEPTIC GOD :dummy:
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Quantization Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
God would have to have been an epileptic to create something as fantastic as the platypus.

Cue obligatory butt-hurt epileptic comment here.
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VladmiesserDiVisker Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
He probably had a nervous twitch or something while he was creating the platypus XD
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psychotic-Dragon Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2011
PFFFFT hahahaha!

I honestly at first was about to go into flame mode on this but then I read the artist's comments and realized you're just trolling religion. :iconthumbsupplz:

Personally, I'm agnostic so I'll respect everyone's choices in what they choose to believe or choose not to believe.
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ForTheLoveofSatire Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2011
You know there's a difference between trolling and attempting to present an argument with credible evidence? (in this case, a critique of Christianity using its most valued source of faith: The Bible)
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kindkaiser Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
most christians seem to be unaware of the their bloody past which is full of crusades. Let us not forget about inquisitions also, with torture and rape. If you dont believe me google it, there are all kinds of nasty little devices that they use to use on people.
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10T-Bird08 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Professional Writer
You make some excellent points, and I respect your view, however you might not want to look at the Bible in bits and pieces as you have. One cannot fully understand God's message without reading God's message. While the Bible states that people who commit the sins you have mentioned need only ask Jesus for forgiveness. It is not that God hates them. Read the parables at the end of my quotes listed below to see what God is REALLY like (especially the parable of the lost coin and sheep). Like I said in the beginning though, I respect your opinion and I am not judging you. I am simply displaying a few facts that have been overlooked. You don't need to agree with me. This is just how I look at the Bible.

Acts 3:19 “Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.”

Luke 7:47-48 “Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.” Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

Luke 15: 4-24 (NIV)

The Parable of the Lost Sheep

“Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.”

The Parable of the Lost Coin
“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

The Parable of the Lost Son
“Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them. Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son. But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.”
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Quantization Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
The point is, those same people who claim that "God loves all" also act out the hatred that the Old Testament 'god' enacted against those who were in deviancy of your bible. Your 'parables' do not undo that which your bible also claims, it's merely a patch to cover up plotholes.

The bible also says that it's perfectly okay to rape a virgin provided you pay her father afterwards for the pleasure of doing so, and if you do not, you and the victim shall be stoned to death. Quite a peaceful, loving religion you all practice.
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10T-Bird08 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Professional Writer
In order to argue about the old testamant, however, you have to understand that Jesus had not yet been born. Jesus was that final link between humanity and the spiritual realm. Also, I will not deny that God is vengeful, for He said so.

Sex has become so perverted these days. It was created for a married man and woman to create offspring, not to just do. This is one quote about rape: "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27"When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her," (Deut. 22:25-27). Could you please site your verse so I can look it up to better understand where you are coming from? I do recall a verse along those lines, but I don't remember where it was.

I must commend you on your knowledge of the Bible, however. You are very well read and have a good leg to stand on for your views.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
Jesus did not nullify the Old Testament. He purportedly said "The old teachings should not be forgotten" or something along those lines. It has been a while since I cracked open the book to cite a verse.




Laws of rape, according to the Old Testament:

"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you."
-- Deuteronomy 22:23-24

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."
-- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Those are from the King James translation, in a more modern translation they read a little different (New International Version). The meaning hasn't changed, it's merely easier to decipher:

"If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he rapes her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."
-- Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NIV

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
-- Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV




I'm not going to argue the sex part with you. I don't think any human being regardless of social status, marital status, financial status, or anything else should be able to regulate the actions of two consenting adults within their own homes. I have wild, erotic sex with my fiancee more often than either of us care to admit, but that's nobody else's business lest we offer up the information as I did just now.

Not to mention the adaptations the human body has built specifically for intercourse. Hormones, orgasm, etc, all of which can be explained on a scientific basis. Arguing such with a creationist who does not give any validity to the theory of evolution is a waste of breath.

"I must commend you on your knowledge of the Bible" I'm an atheist, not an idiot. I was raised in a fundamentalist family, we attended church every Saturday. I had bible-study classes weekly. If it was not for the bible study, I would probably not be an atheist today.

Many atheists are as bad, if not worse, than many Christians. Both groups refuse to see the point of the other, refuse to digest the evidence brought to play, and dismiss anything disagreeable without a second look.

“Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.”
- Sun Tzu. [Chinese General, 500 BC] The Art of War.
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El-Drago-800 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
God loves no one but himself. He cares not for good or evil, only for his ego.
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LiteratePothead Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
And in the end, everyone died.
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XxXblackgirlXxX Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. Cuz sinners are much more fun. :)"
I'd also rather worship someone who is evil than someone who is evil pretending to be good. God expects us to worship him and bow down to him in his glory. Why?
I also like the people who say you should thank God for all the good stuff in you're life like getting good grades after studying but won't blame him for places like Haiti and Africa.
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ceuiari Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
i didnt even read the whole description.

but God doesnt hate the person he hates the sin.

and about the woman, back then woman werent equal, so that chapter was written for people back then. you gave a baby a toy not a gun.
ahhh. i dont feel like explaining anymore.

and God didnt make homos. he created people and gave them free will and talent. he knows the future but he wont do anything for your future unless you ask him too.

and um.. children dont go to hell. babies dont go to hell ok? because even though they were born with sin, they are pure, not pure, more like innocent.

but i respect your opinion and all.

and the slaves. people back then had slaves. God also told the 'masters' to treat the slaves kindly.

yea. im kinda sad. i actually cried after i read some comments and looked at the description.

ill just pray for you.
praise God. yea.

and Jesus spoke in parables so you shouldnt take everything for what you hear.
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Darkdingo20 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2011
Aborted babies go to hell/purgatory, so do unbaptised ones according to Catholicism.
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ceuiari Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2011
catholic rules are fucked up.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
"i didnt even read the whole description."

I didn't even read your whole comment. Just that line, and the last one.

"and Jesus spoke in parables so you shouldnt take everything for what you hear."

Tell that to your fellow Christians, who take the time to literally interpret the bible at every turn. If women and slaves were treated as second-class in that day and age, and it is therefore correct, than since homosexuality was bad juju back then, the bible verses against it no longer apply. You cannot pick and chose which pieces are applicable and which are not. It is either the word of your god and 100% true and applicable, or it is not the word of your god and it is 0% true and applicable.
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ceuiari Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011
lol. you know, i actually ended up reading the whole description.

mmm... well, the word of my God is 100% true.

but i thought that youd know that Christianity these days has been screwed up by christians.

its true that you cant pick and choose, but today mainly focuses on the new testament.
the ways we worship changes as culture changes. but actually woman are still not equal to men.
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Enju-Yanazaki Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2011
I don't understand what your trying to say. I see all your examples, but you didn't make it clear if you were being sarcastic or not.
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Theantiflag Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2011
why is it that in such scripture, god is a two-faced ass hole?
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Eziotehwomanizer Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Can I quote that first line? :lol:
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MaggieWartist Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2011   General Artist
FUCK YEAH!!I'M GONNA VISIT MY DEMONS!!!! :iconbadassplz:
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avatarfreak52011 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Oi, this has sparked a lot of discussion. Personally, I don't agree with the stamp though. Now, I'm not going to lie and say I know and studied my bible like a good little church girl, nor do I now. I believe in God in my own way. My views on things (especially Homosexuality) differ quite a bit from those I know who grew up way into all that, and I'm okay with that. I think it's horrible that people belittle and attack others because they aren't what they consider right according to the Bible. -Shrugs- Guess that may just be me though.
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Jih-pun Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011  Hobbyist Filmographer
When you quoted the Bible verses, it just made me love God even more <3 Thank you~! :heart:
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Quantization Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011
I'm happy that you love your god, when he punishes people for the way he created them, treats women as second class, murders children and pregnant women and innocents, and advocates human rights violations like slavery. You can love your god all you want, but he has no place in our society.
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Jih-pun Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011  Hobbyist Filmographer
Oh, I will :heart: :D
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Luthalian Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2011
haha i already knew i was going to hell, but i gotta say one thing before i go -flips off- fuck you god
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CJangel Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist
Well, If you read right you would see, he doesn't "HATE exept gays, women, slaves, non-believers, non-jews, sinners, and aborted children" He Hate's the facts, because it is (Obmitt it) Un natural for say Gays, I mean 2 of the same sex, having sex is just... well... just plainly unnatural! And he most certainly does not "hate" Those on the list, He just really dislikes the actions...
Say, A kid, you can't force a kid to be who you want him to be without him/her in the end going to hate you for it, Same with God and mankind...
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ForTheLoveofSatire Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2011
Homosexuality is unnatural? did you know they are over 400 species in nature that engage in homosexual behavior. According to National Geographic, there is over 600 animals that do this?

Documentary part 1 here: [link]
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Quantization Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011
Your argument has more holes than a six-pound block of Swiss Cheese.

1)"it is (Obmitt it) Un natural for say Gays ... having sex"

Unnatural by what definition? Is it unnatural because your bible tells you as much, or is this supported by scientific observation? I can attest that scientific observation has proven the opposite. Many animals, including mammals, and great apes (which are a subset of mammals and a superset of humans) have been observed practicing "gay" activities in the wild and in captivity.

References: Bonobos, Penguins, Vultures, Bison, Rams, Hyenas, and a great many more that I am unwilling to search out for you.

2) "And he most certainly does not "hate" Those on the list, He just really dislikes the action"

Yet he damns those who are unwilling to cease the actions, many of them absolutely harmless, to eternal torture. Yes, he certainly hates the act and not the actor, right? :lol: If I were white, and I disliked rap music turned up very loud, and I decided that I disliked it so much that I would stab every person with who listens to the genre I came across, would I not be branded as a racist, since the majority of people who listen to rap music are African-American? Wouldn't the crime be considered a hate crime, motivated by hatred? It may not be the best example, but it illustrates your god's contradiction.

3) "Say, A kid, you can't force a kid to be who you want him to be without him/her in the end going to hate you for it, Same with God and mankind..."

But it is quite alright for your god and your priests to do it, right? This is probably the largest gaping hole of fallacy in your entire argument. Simply legalizing abortion, gay marriage, and other things your religious institution frowns upon would not force anyone to be anything, instead it would allow people who do agree with or are members of those types of actions the freedom to continue with their normal, harmless lives.

How is it okay for your religion to claim that everyone must be heterosexual, that everyone must be Christian, and that all women must be subservient to their husbands yet it is not okay for anyone to speak against your god, and it is not okay for people to disbelieve in your church, and it is not okay to allow people who do not follow your religion freedom to continue not following it?
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CJangel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011  Hobbyist
Right...

(1)Unnatural by what definition? Is it unnatural because your bible tells you as much, or is this supported by scientific observation? I can attest that scientific observation has proven the opposite. Many animals, including mammals, and great apes (which are a subset of mammals and a superset of humans) have been observed practicing "gay" activities in the wild and in captivity.

References: Bonobos, Penguins, Vultures, Bison, Rams, Hyenas, and a great many more that I am unwilling to search out for you.


Never mind the bible in that, it really just doesn't seem right for me... Even If I wasn't a Christian, I would still disagree on this. Yeah, usually animals just do that if they are young, and sexually frustrated.. An older male animal who's knowledge has extended (Less their manhood is taken from them) Would not go humping another male now would he?
Anyway, I won't argue with you on this, I still just respect other people's choices, and don't force me to be completely against it... And if people Decide to be Gay, I won't stand on their heads for it, I'd just respect it...

(2)Yet he damns those who are unwilling to cease the actions, many of them absolutely harmless, to eternal torture. Yes, he certainly hates the act and not the actor, right? If I were white, and I disliked rap music turned up very loud, and I decided that I disliked it so much that I would stab every person with who listens to the genre I came across, would I not be branded as a racist, since the majority of people who listen to rap music are African-American? Wouldn't the crime be considered a hate crime, motivated by hatred? It may not be the best example, but it illustrates your god's contradiction.


I'm white, I'm African, and I like some rap..
This probably is like trying to explain something to a wall. But this is a game of chess to the bastard Down in hell And God.. Rules, their not suppose to force anyone.. Gives you the choice you want.. So basically you choose to your heart, or to your mind and Temptations... And the choices that you make is victory to the devil, or to God, and fair is fair, God can't put you in heaven when the devil was the one that won you over... Would it be fair really? So it's not His fault, but yours (or the damn devil's)...


(3)Yet he damns those who are unwilling to cease the actions, many of them absolutely harmless, to eternal torture. Yes, he certainly hates the act and not the actor, right? If I were white, and I disliked rap music turned up very loud, and I decided that I disliked it so much that I would stab every person with who listens to the genre I came across, would I not be branded as a racist, since the majority of people who listen to rap music are African-American? Wouldn't the crime be considered a hate crime, motivated by hatred? It may not be the best example, but it illustrates your god's contradiction.

No, it is not alright for priests to do it, and If you really understood, God certainly doesn't do it ether, even though you might see it that way.
NO ONE said they are not harmless.. And there are Many things that I do not understand, or find fair myself... I know a Christian gay guy, and I love him as a friend... and if you're Christian, You can somehow find it in year heart to leave it.. That gay guy, He's been married HAPPILY to a woman for 9 years now. But before that, he was still a Gay Christian, and everyone didn't like the idea, but instead of judging him, they let him decide what he thought was right... And so he did... Without Judgment...
I fear there are too many Christians that judges people like that too easily.. which is what you're referring to, I know... and it's not right.. But not all of us are the same...


(4)How is it okay for your religion to claim that everyone must be heterosexual, that everyone must be Christian, and that all women must be subservient to their husbands yet it is not okay for anyone to speak against your god, and it is not okay for people to disbelieve in your church, and it is not okay to allow people who do not follow your religion freedom to continue not following it?

(1) Because that's why we where created male and female, Otherwise, why go through the trouble when you can just have the same sex reproduce? And that's logical, I don't even need to use the Bible in it.
(2)Why go to God's heaven, when you don't even believe in God?
(3)Haha If you really understood, Woman has as much the free will as their husbands, and it's all just a manner of respect to each other. and it also says "Man, love your wife". A man is for Honor, and respect, and a woman's for love, so both gain what they need. In that manner, a relationship would last longer, don't you think? It's not even just for Christians, it's for everyone to live by...
Yes, it's not alright for you to speak against our God, do you really just expect us to stand an watch as you do so? It's more insulting to us then you might think.. So if you don't like Him, just leave him alone, don't try and kill Him (As it sometimes seem like you're trying -.-)
(4)&(5) No, we just all want you to go to HEAVEN... And some Christians CAN over react with that, I know.. And that doesn't make it right, but however, we just want you to make the right choice.. that's usually the case... All why someone might go on about it is because he/she doesn't want to see you fall... So you're supposed to have the freedom, and still they just try to get you to see the truth, and not force you (Even though some Christians try to -.-)...

Wish you would understand... I don't want to be your enemy, so I'm not going to hold anything against you... And I'm not going to force you to understand ether... that's only your choice...
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SicilianPineapple Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
At number 2 around the end...why would god send us to hell just for not beliving in him? Especially since he didn't bother to send proof. :l Just saying...it's fine to belive in him and all, but sending me to hell forever for being atheist seems pretty harsh.
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CJangel Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011  Hobbyist
:iconchikara-san: Has said it all very well~

"All too many Christians are guilty of being jerks to people they view as different than themselves. On behalf of those people, I apologize. We are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, and many times, Christians forget that.

God does love everybody... ESPECIALLY those mentioned in this stamp.
Ephesians 2:4-5 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.

Everybody sins (Christians and non-Christians).
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God.

Sinning doesn't mean God can never love you. It just means you separated from him because you're human. Accepting Jesus as your savior means you are forgiven of your sin.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

All you gotta do is accept him."

I hope this helps. :)
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kapieren Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011  Professional General Artist
Sooooo.... good is:

A. A hypocrite?
B. A liar?
C. Has poor judgment?


Take your pick.
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CJangel Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist
Depends on how you would look at them... they can all become good, a real Christian looses the will to do bad things, though, NO ONE is perfect, so Christians are just as big sinners as ANYONE else in the world, the only differences is, we're washed clean by Christ that was sacrificed in our places...
2) God can even use more then hypocrites, liar, Thief, poor judgment, hell even murderers... The thing is though, that they loose the will to do wrong...
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shadowpiratemonkey7 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
all those quotes make me sick. i'll happily go to hell (even though i don't believe in it) just to get away from that fabulous douche bag they call the LORD. DX
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AgentBabycakes Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I say God loves everybody. But even if you are going to be closed-minded, I think God would still love aborted children. Ain't the kid's fault.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2011
According to the bible, and don't think for one moment that I actually believe in this hogwash, aborted fetuses are sent to hell. No, it does not say it outright, but the logic that all people must "accept Christ as the savior" and that we're all born with "first sin" means the "babies" have not been saved. Since they have not accepted Jesus, they go to hell with the rest of the non-believers. :lol:
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AgentBabycakes Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Okay, that's total BS. In my humble opinion (and this is what I've heard from my religion teachers, too), even though babies have "original sin" they're still young and innocent. They COULDN'T accept Jesus, because if they make it outside the womb they still don't know they're in the world.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011
The bible doesn't make any discerning statements of age and innocents. According to the bible, The God of the old testament has killed many innocent people and damned them to hell for simply being around other people who commit sins. Do you think the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were only inhabited by adults? If there were cities, there were children, pregnant women, elderly people, and completely innocent denizens that were murdered and damned to hell for simply being in the same geographic area as Lot and his daughters.

The old testament God even caused a believer to spontaneously combust upon viewing the cities being razed to the ground.

That same God would send aborted "babies" to hell for being aborted and not accepting Jesus.
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AgentBabycakes Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I don't know, I don't put much credence in stories like that. I just know what I believe. And what I believe is that God would allow aborted babies to go to heaven.

I've even heard it said in my religion classes (I go to a Catholic school) that sometimes, God will make allowances for those who hadn't heard of Jesus to be able to accept Him.

Church hypocrisy at its finest, perhaps. I was raised Catholic, and I love Jesus and God, but some of the stuff the Church teaches makes me roll my eyes. Exactly why I'm kind of distancing myself from organized religion and just believing in Jesus and God my way.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011
To be honest, I believe the story of Sodom and Gommoreah to be little more than anti-gay propaganda perpetuated by the early Jewish church. You have studied religion to know that Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, is the same God of the Jewish Religion and the Torah, which is the first five books of the Old Testament? It simply reflects the views that

I have heard that, as well. I do not believe in God, but if it is what gives ultra-conservative religious zealots the ability to sleep soundly at night, so be it.

There isn't an organization in the world with any sort of power over any amount of people devoid of any corruption. I have a lot of respect for agnostic Christians, those that are against organized religion and the overzealousness surrounding the church, yet maintain their own beliefs and interpret them their own way. Everyone on earth is free to believe what they will, and who am I to tell anyone that what they believe is wrong when I know not the origins of the universe any more than they do?
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AgentBabycakes Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
That's kind of what I think too.

Um... It simply reflects the views that... what?

Hey, I'm no ultra-conservative religious zealot, and I believe in God! I just like the idea, but the God I believe in is a merciful, loving God.
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Quantization Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011
Woah, I must have spaced out there.

"It simply reflects the views that the early Christian and Jewish churches had at the time of it's writing. They were against many things, homosexuality, women's rights, the abolition of slavery, allowing disobedient children to live, etc. All one must do is read Leviticus through to realize that whoever was running the churches at the time was obviously a psychopath."

Never accused you of such. Quite the contrary, actually.
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anguspie Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
But God is supposed to love everyone equally. Why does he let unborn babies get into heaven without accepting Jesus, while the rest of us have to work our asses of showing our devotion?
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AgentBabycakes Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I believe that basically, if you're a good person, you'll get into heaven. Some of my beliefs differ greatly from those accepted by the Church.
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Dezenerate Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011
That's not how it works man. God loves us all equally. He loves us all the way to Hell! :icondummywaveplz:
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kapieren Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2011  Professional General Artist
Sho does bitch!
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